Comments from February 2006

From Susannah

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: I too have been concerned

about the day-to-day unwanted exposure to pornography and objectification of

women via the media (mainly TV and print).

From Emily

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: Great article, im glad

its not just me who is concerned about this issue that has become accepted as

normal and part of our culture.

From Malgosia Brunsz-Steane

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: How refreshing was to

find that I am not isolated in my view that pornography ruins women’s chances

for true equality and respect from the world. That reinforces stereotypes of

women being in constant service to the men. Sadly we women are also

responsible for that situation. Those who sale their body, those who do not

bring their sons up to respect women and those who don’t demand higher

standards of behaviour from own husbands and other man for a sake of not being

laughed at or negatively labelled. Unfortunately those women who fight for man

by constantly pleasing them as if their life depended on it are also not

helping improving men’s attitude towards our gender. Women who snatch other

women’s husbands and are disloyal to their own gender help to proliferate

men’s ideas. We need to act in unison, just as men do, to protect our rights

and produce change. I cannot see this happening soon. Many thanks. Kind


From Jake Stoyle

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: I am a 26 yr old man

living with my partner, a feminist theologian!!! Just want to say that your

article was excellent in its informed description of our society and has

helped me to understand the issues far better. Just remeber that there are

lots of men out there that agree with your points of view. infact id go

further than that, that agree with your truth. excellent article.

From Jackie Ladbroke

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: I have to say I agree

with Rachel – Lad mag culture is unbelievably degrading to women and the fact

that young kids and teenagers are absorbing this kind of shit is very

disturbing. However, whilst the aims of groups such as SWAP are certainly well

intended and admirable, I think they are misguided. Like the rise of the

reality TV show, these kinds of magazines are merely another reflection of our

‘lowest common denominator’ culture and to attempt to ban them or censor them

would be to deny the current climate that we live in. This is not to suggest

that we should grudgingly accept the status quo but we should ackowledge the

less savoury aspects of a pluralistic society and allow them to show

themselves for the tedious rubbish that they are. Similarly, I think groups

like the BNP should be allowed a platform from which to speak, so as to enable

us to hear what they have to say, regardless of how offensive it may seem to

us. Attempts to repress never work – these attitudes will not go away. Also, I

don’t think the imbalance of lads and girls magazines is quite as pronounced

as is described in the article. The concept of the girls magazine as espousing

the virtues of a loving, kind partner over and above how ‘fit’ he is, or how

well-endowed, is not strictly true.. I was ‘treated’ only the other day to a

‘torso of the week’ in More, Heat or some other trashy mag and it would not be

true to suggest that men are free of the constraints of these ‘ideals’ that

society thrusts upon us. In much the same way that women are forced to conform

to pathetic, supposedly objective beauty ideals, men can no longer escape.

Beer bellies are viewed with revulsion and you can’t open a sunday supplement

these days without being confronted with a ‘cure’ for male pattern baldness

(obviously considered a disease in much the same way as cellulite seems to

be). Much as I wish this anti-censorship stance was universally adopted, I

must of course acknowledge that it isn’t. The fact is that women’s bodies are

so routinely shown in full nudity while the depiction of the penis (or heaven

forbid, the erect penis!) is still a rarity. But I really feel that the way

forward is to campaign for an end to all censorship, rather than to attempt to

impose more restrictions on what we can and can’t see.

From S M Berg

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: Thank you, Rachel Bell.

Last night a woman told me her story of being gang raped at a college campus

by almost a dozen men (there were 8 DNA types found on/in her) and how only

one of them was convicted. It’s been haunting me since hearing it as I try to

comprehend how they couldn’t convict at least the 8 men whose DNA they found

if not every one of the men she identified.

But it’s pornography. The gang bang is a staple porn scene and I refuse to

believe the actions of these rapists wasn’t conditioned in a large way by the

normalization of pornography sold as hip and manly.

I fear for women these days like I have never feared for them before, and I

fear for them because pornography is the everyday hate speech of men using

prostitutes’ bodies to remind each other and women that women’s place is

literally beneath men. If no prostitute is around for the easy using men make

their own whore out of any nearby girl or woman. This is what rape culture

looks like.

From Helen Browne

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: I am a member of the

group “object” and hope that many more of your readers become more active in

ridding our society of newspaper porn, lads mags, pole dancing, lap dancing

clubs, etc… I have two teenage daughters and I feel helpless to protect them

from a society that accepts promoting women as sex objects, who are more

concerned about having large breasts than a good education, who were exposed

to porn at age eleven in school, and had to learn to accept it, or be

ridiculed as uptight or having a problem with sex. I am seeing first hand the

effects normalizing porn is having on my own daughters, and it makes my blood

boil. Those children wih unaware parents are already lost. Please complain to

retailers, MP’s, anyone who may be able to make a difference.

From zak jane keir

Re: Challenging the Sex Sells Cliche: It’s a shame to see the

same tired old cliches about pornography trotted out again – especially at a

time when the Government is trying to bring in measures to restrict freedom of

expression even further. The trouble with people who campaing against

“pornogaphy” is they are campaigning against their own personal demons and

ignoring what’s actually out there. It’s simply nonsense to claim that

pornography, unlike any other kind of media, has one universal message that is

bound to be interpreted identically by every single viewer. Pornography –

sexually-explicit media for recreation rather than education – encompasses a

wide variety of narratives, many playful, consensual, affectionate as well as

impersonal. Campaign by all means for better working conditions for anyone

trafficked and exploited, but don’t forget that includes the clothing and

catering industries as well as the sex industry.

From Emily Baeza

I thought “pretending that men aren’t grown ups” was right on point

and a brillant thoughtful analysis. Like contraception, in rape the

responsibility is heaped onto women, and any unfortunate attendant

consequences are solely their fault.

I volunteer at a playgroup with autistic children, and the first rule we

ever learned was DO NOT BE ALONE with a child! Don?t even take the risk, that

allegations might occur. If there is doubt over whether a woman is consenting,

it seems the smart choice for a man to simply walk away, rather than to go

there. The responsibility is clearly a joint one, for both men and women. What

is especially unsettling in the Swansea case is that the alleged rapist was

entrusted with looking after the victim and therefore this was a double abuse

of power. Picking up the thread of an earlier article, that rape should be

re-classified as a violent crime, this would prevent some of the use of

“consent” as a defence, as it cannot be used in violent crime. It is a bizarre

reasoning that states in rape that the victim is partly responsible through

the uncertainty of her consent. Classifying rape as violent crime would remove

the insidious “consent defence” of rapists as it would be irrelevant if the

victim could not recall giving consent, as like assault and battery it would

not matter. Rape makes a mockery of our justice system and writers like the

one in the times, only add to this problem. It is very poor state of affairs,

where women?s maturity and sense of responsibility is to be used against


From Rachel Bell

Re: Pretending that men aren’t grown-ups: Well done Ellery for

writing this piece – it needed saying. The culture of blame towards women for

acts of MALE violence is a dangerous one indeed. Thank you for taking the time

to write to The Times with your response too. All the best.

From Ilse

Re: Pretending that men aren’t grown-ups: I agree with you that

treating a rape victim as the moral equivalent of a drunken wife-beater is

absurd, but it’s just a particularly obvious example of the way that women are

blamed for male violence against them. Come to think of it, if a rape victim

is as culpable as the perpetrator of domestic violence, why on earth is the

legal system being so lenient towards her… maybe she even belongs in


From Michelle Wright

Re. Make Me

Perfect review. Really enjoyed reading this. Although I haven’t watched

the programme, I have heard about it. It disturbs me that programmes centred

around women having to drastically alter themselves in order to conform to

some narrow definition of mainstream beauty are treated so lightly and enter

our daytime TV schedules. I completely agree that women should learn to raise

their self-esteem from their person, not their appearance. But then a concept

like that doesn’t seem to translate to television well and it certainly

wouldn’t appeal to advertisers. Respecting yourself for who you are isn’t

something that has a monetary value attached to it. However, banishing your

wrinkles and losing weight can be ‘solved’ by consumerism, hence television’s

obsession with the physical makeover.

From Stelbee

I enjoyed the article in relation to Make Me Perfect and

have the following comments to make…It would be interesting to review in

months/years how each ‘subject’ of this programme are. I have experienced male

attention to the extent of stalking since becoming slim/trendy, with long

blonde hair. I can categorically say this does NOT make you happy when all men

ask for is a photo and speak of your looks. (Then you are told you focus on

your looks too much). I am able to state this pressure makes self esteem shaky

and ageing a pressure. Yet, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to

viewing figures…slimming, sexy clothes and aspirations… Will we ever be

taken seriously if we hold ourselves back?

From Ann Merry

I totally agree for the concern of the messages promoted by the programme

Make Me Perfect.

This programmes rather insultingly only focuses on appearance-related lack of

confidence, which belittles womens’ role. This programme left me thinking that

women had not got all that far in fact in proving their equality with men.

Looks are not essential for women, and this thinking should be discouraged.

From Paula

I loved the article. I’m really sick of the whole “He’s just

not that into you” thing. Once again, everybody’s lumped together as if we

were all using the same brain. We’re not Borgs. We’re human beings,

individuals, with our own ways of doing things. Not all men are the same, and

neither are all women. Enough already!

From Liz Hoskings

Left Behind: A

good an honest analysis of the far left – although I have not been involved in

it for as long as Louise her article somewhat reflects my experience of the

men involved.

From Slavna Zemtsova

Thank you for a wonderful article, Sick of

Celebrity. It is so powerful with the sarcasm that made me feel so good

and strong. The nature has forced the need to be pretty on a human female. But

who said that we human females are taking it just as it is??? After all, we

are humans! Brains, soul, not just physics!

From Mark Headley

Re: Deconstructing Masculinity: In her article, Sheryl Plant

mentioned the fact that most violent crime was carried out by men. This

brought to mind the oft quoted statistic that the vast majority of crimes are

perpetrated by men. Or, to use the available facts: the male prison population

is 10 times that of the female. I’m told this proportion is mirrored in most

countries studied.

However, what fascinates me is that the number of women in American gaols,

as a proportion of the whole population, is about the same as MALE prisoners

in Japan. The question that occurred to me (though not, apparently, to the

person presenting the statistic) was what is it in America which

allows/encourages women to be as criminally minded as Japanese men? Or, to

reverse the question: what is it in Japan that prevents men being as

criminally minded as American women? If one assumes that, genetically and

hormonally, there is little difference between the Americans and Japanese, one

has to wonder about social convention being significant.

Although I am no expert, my wife is Japanese and I’ve been there quite a

few times. I was once told that it was a common sight to see men incapably

drunk in the streets, yet there is very little drunken violence. Is this due

to their age (generally over 30) or their sub-concious mind still exerting

some control over their actions?

Owing to the general overcrowding in Japanese cities, I can well understand

why social control seems to be much stronger than here in the UK. Perhaps this

is so inculcated into the Japanese mind that people are generally less likely

to break society’s rules than in America? I don’t know. But I do think it’s

worthy of investigation.

From A Bryans

Re: Every Girl Wants a Stalker: One Problem is that some women

don’t tell you if they are not interested. I’m far happier if a woman was

upfront with me and just flat out said they weren’t interested. I would

respect that. It means that your not wasting your time.

From Kelly

Re: Diet

Grrrl, An Example: I can’t believe the cheek of the reply, sending a

stock, ‘thanks for your comments’ reply to such a scathing letter. Shame on

Marie Claire. I used to buy it myself, thinking it was a more intelligent read

but have stopped for the same reasons described. Who wants to start a real

women’s magazine with me? :)

From Naomi

Re: Growing Up Or Giving In? Fantastic article….thank god

somebody knows about the things I am thinking! Thank you!

From Rosalyn Gilfillan

Re: Feminism–a short introduction by Margaret Walters…

ealasaid gilfillan. I enjoyed this article immensely and it has achieved what

all good book reviews interest in obtaining the book for myself and

studying it in more detail..I look forward to other book reviews by the same


From Mark Risden

Hi Catherine, Just read your article [Not For Girls: Nestle & Yorkie Adverts] while eating one of

said ‘not for girls’ bars and thinking of something comical to view for my

afternoon. I am interested in your views and even I can see the short-sighted

marketing behind this particular advertising campaign. However, as with many

adverts out today, there is a certain element of tongue in cheek.

The primary objective of adverts these days is to shock, one way or the

other. Be this by having you rolling in hysterics around the floor, or

ensuring you look both ways when crossing the road to avoid the oncoming

truck. I said that this advertising campaign was short-sighted, but then

perhaps it is not… Is it not a possibility that 100 women who saw the ad

were a little peeved at the whole nestle male bravado thing (as women do

usually get when men try to act macho) and purposely went out to buy a yorkie

just to prove Nestle wrong? Of course there would have been a large market

that just thought it was ridiculous and now boycote all Nestle items.

It was and is a risky campaign but most advertising campaigns are not

usually out of the desperation that something is not selling well. Either way,

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your views and discussing them with you. I

will now return to my Yorkie and think about all the people who might not be

enjoying them as I am now, oh well, more for me! :) Kind regards,

From Sara A

This is the most wonderfully refreshing website, each and every article

written reminds me why the need for the new feminist wave is so urgent. And

that it should not simply be a wave, but a storm that never resides or submits

to any misogynist backlash. Currently, society and its constructions delude us

into believing that men and women are treated and respected as equals,

thankyou for exposing this sly, profound trick. Women need to unite and

support each other in order to live without oppression.

From A Male Reader

Hi, I’m a Male Reader, Just thought I’d add in my 2-sence; I enjoy reading

all of these articles about feminism, and I agree with much of it, how

sometimes men can treat women unfairly, and judgementally, BUT women aren’t

100 erfect, they also do many things that should not be tolerated, always

assuming men are just after a peice of ass, or assuming men are emotionless

creatures who only want sex, I’m not saying SOMETIMES that isn’t the case. But

sometimes these disagreements between gendre is brought on by the women

themselves and their own stereo-types of men, now your probrably going to get

angry for that last comment, but it IS true, women have JUST as many

stereo-types of men as men have of women, simple, end of story. I know in your

one article you said it’s wrong for men to want you to help with their rights

just becuase your helping females too, BUT I myself believe there should be no

*Women’s Rights Groups* OR *Men’s Rights groups* There should just be

*People’s Rights Groups* and all voices, men’s and women’s be heard on equal

ground. Well that was my 2-sence on these articles…

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

A quick response: No-one has said that women are 100% perfect or that women

never treat men in a sexist way. Both men and women are sexist. I completely

agree with you that women have just as many stereotypes of men as vice-versa.

That is something feminists want to change. On the point about there should be

no women’s groups, the article Feminists Are

Sexist may help to explain my thoughts on this argument – Editor.

From Ricky Katz

Hello, I read your article on Sin City and the portryal of sexism it involved. I found it

very interesting as my A2 Media text is Sin City. I enjoyed reading your

article and thought it was very interesting and I put some of what you said in

my own words into my piece. I would like to add one thing though as I do agree

with most of what you said but I belive that one positive point of the way

their represented in this film is “for once the female characters arnt always

a damsel in distress” as some have more power then the male characters. Its

just my oppnion I guess but I did like your article.

From Nicole Howard

Hello, I would first like to say that i agree to what you have mostly said

about Sin City

representing women, however, i disagree with the comment about the opening

scene. what actually has happened, which we are not told is that she has hired

the salesman to kill her because her ex-boyfriend is coming after her to kill

her the worest way possible and so he knows that she is scared and needs

saving from something. so ok yes they still shouldnt have portrayed it the way

they did, but its not because she’s a woman and so she’s obviously going to

melt into his arms its because she is scared of being tortured to death and

needs someone to protect her or rather in this case ‘save’ her by killing her,

so that she died more peacefully knowing someone ‘loved’ her than being

brutally tortured to death. Also even though the film is being very sexist ect

towards women, some women still like it because its fictional and has been

written from a comic book which was made in the 90’s.

From Kori Basquez

After watching Sin

City, and yes i watched it in it’s entirety, I could not help but be

absolutely infuriated with the portrayal of women. It’s this sort of

objectification of the female sex that I feel fuels the fire of aggression

towards women. One of the more annoying aspects was the referral of the women

by all of the characters present as “girls.” Even the women who attempted to

appear powerful were practically naked; their bodies serving as an evil

enticement. I was waiting for the women to pull out their S&M accessories,

tease the men into sexual activity, and then be taken over by the powerful

male sex drive. As for Miho, the one woman the men couldn’t exploit, was

presented as a freakish, voiceless alien. As far as the best movie of the year

goes… yeah maybe to all of the rapists and other abusers of the female sex,

but then again there are a lot of them out there, which fuels my desire to

keep up with my education, to be an MD and not a “woman doctor,” to teach my

son to respect and value the opposite sex, and to continue to live my life as

an opinionated, intelligent woman that feels it’s time to start promoting the

value of the egalitarian lifestyle; and I’m not going to stop fighting this

oppression until every man I meet looks me straight in the eye and shakes my

hand rather than immediately checking out my breasts.

From Francine Hoenderkamp

I’m utterly astounded to hear that ‘glamour model’ Jodie Marsh is an

Ambassador for the Domestic Violence organisation Refuge. Correct me if I’m

wrong but isn’t this a bit like Saddam Hussein being an Ambassador for Human


From David Wright


Are Sexist: what a genuinely wonderfull article well said. no more sex war

i say , the only way we can succeed is by working together side by side, men

who naively attack femminsim only add to the problem as do women who naively

attack men. im a young youth work student and during my sociology modual it

became apparent to me how important and crucial femminism is to men and women.

this is why i preach it so in my men’s group. im currently writing an essay on

the social exlcusion of young fathers, the socialisation of men, gender

construction and surpession of emotion. thankyou for being a woman and making

me smile. hope my comment sounds alright.Cheers Davey. Ps. i appreciate the


From Nagmani

why men suck and the women who have to, was great. i liked

it very much.

From Andrew Keene

After reading Megans very articulate article [Contraception and Control] , I am left with 2 deep


1. Teenagers expect to get everything they want without the groundwork of

having to work for the skills and general knowledge required to deal with the

consequences of sexual relationships. From my perspective,having a 14 year old

daughter myself, I have observed that sex is used in her circle of friends as

very clumsy tool for recreation, validation of affection (from a female

perspective) and a way of obtaining something. With this attitude towards

clumsy sex, how the hell will the facilitation of accessible

contraception,”the get out of jail card” that Megan claims for the majority of

her peers is not the reason why it should be accessible,be justified. I admit

that effective contaception is far the better option to unwanted childbirth or

abortions but Megans views worry me so much, that I worry for the future

morals of our next generation and society in general.

2. The moral fabric in our society is eroding and that all liberals will

say that rules and constraints for the benefit for minors that we as adults

have learnt by experience (bitter or otherwise) are redundant and that the

individual should decide. This is anarchy in the making and we will reap the

bitter harvest in a generations time.

From Jane

Subvert the Dominant Pimpiarchy – Thank you for such a

blatently raw and true article.You hit the nail right on the head. Refreshing

to read everything you wrote i agree with and glad i am not alone.

From Snaitf Kenobi

On the Signs

of Ageing article, I thought of another role model. Cadsuane Meladhrin

from Wheel of Time. She’s 300 something and my favorite character from the

series. :) Other than that, great article.

From Donalda G

Re: The

Signs of Ageing: I don’t mind getting old, but I don’t like looking old as

in haggard and run-down. I acknowledge the increased confidence I’ve gained

over the years. I know how to dress to impress now, I’m not as bashful, I’m

wiser. But I have to admit, I miss the attention I used to get from men. I can

feel great all I want, but when you’re 42 and want a relationship but the fish

aren’t biting because your face looks “tired” or you’re forty pounds

overweight, then what? Are you just supposed to let yourself go? We’ve all

seen those older women on the makeover shows wearing unflattering clothes and

wearing their hair silver even if it doesn’t flatter their face because

they’ve “accepted” their age. Forget that. My feeling is if you’re ageing in a

way that makes you look weird, you should do something about that. As you get

older you just must accept that you have to do more. You have to keep your

body up, you have to wear clothes that flatter your body type, whatever. True,

all of these things will not make you young again. But taking care of your

appearance isn’t necessarily a denial of the passing years either. A good

example is Greta von Sestern on MSNBC here in America. She had an eye job.

Prior to that eye-job she was looking like a Beagle about the face, her lids

were drooping so much. She doesn’t look 19, but that wasn’t her intention. Was

she wrong to get that surgery? Is she in ageing denial because she had that


From Mitch Winehouse

Re: Amy

Winehouse: I know you wrote this article a clong time ago but i just read

it. I want you to know that Amy and i are are not estranged. her mother and i

are divorced but we both look after Amy’s business interests. Otherwise i

really enjoyed youe article.

From BigLoveBoy

What’s up Biatch? The gig is over, feminism turning in on itself. If

something cant go on forever, it wont. later Dykes.

From Harry


Are Sexist: Are you fucking crazy or do you just not have a life… Why

don’t you join the real world and realise that adverts only wxploit women

because it is the men that make the decisions to buy things and the overall

objective of an advert is to SELL a product,, they don’t give a shit for

muppets like you….. ha ha

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

Which kind of proves my point, really – Catherine

From Mark Headey

I was very heartened by Beth Anderson’s article “There is no

Groom“. Having attended or heard of a number of weddings where NOT ONE

women kept her own name, I was begining to wonder whether there were any women

out there who thought the changing of their name to his was anything but

“romantic”. One colleague defended her choice by saying “I wouldn’t feel

right.” but negleced to define what (or who) defined “right”.

I actually know of only one friend who has kept her own name on marriage.

Another kept her name until the first child arrived. What rather puzzled me

was that neither she nor her husband liked his surname, but they still use his

name rather than hers. True, he has a PhD and papers published in his name,

but why he couldn’t have continued to use his name in accademic circles but

use hers for the rest of his life, I just don’t know. After all, many women

do. Or so I’m told; I’ve never actually met one.

I have a counter to Ms Anderson’s claim that NO men ever take their wife’s

name; 2 examples. Mind you, both were Poles who came here after WW2 and

thought better of inflicting the troublesome spelling of their surnames on

their families.

I’m rather intrigued by the statement that only women can use their

marriage certificate to change their surname, as I’ve go a bank account in our

double-barrelled surname, without the necessity of a Deed Poll. However, I’ve

not yet tried getting my passport changed. If what Ms Anserson says is true,

that may be the acid test.

I’m in two minds about the idea of adding your spouse’s name to yours,

despite doing this myself. I’ve seen books authored by Jane Brown-Smith ann

John Smith, which I actually find even more distasteful than “Jane & John

Smith”. To me, it smacks of the woman stating that, although she’s an

independant woman, she’ definitely not a sad spinster who couldn’t “get” a

man. “Look at me, I’m an individual AND I’m married.” Either both shoud take

the doube name, or neither. Just one looks sad.

And the comment, “Taking his name shows that I’m committed to the

marriage.” is another statement that makes me want to heave. In all such

cases, I have a very simple test. Swap every HIS for HER, every MAN for WOMAN

and restate the case. If it sounds silly, then the original proposition

probably was silly in the first place. Thus, “Taking HER name shows I’m

committed to the marriage.” OK?

The marriage books that practically exclude the groom are another

interesting facet of the whole “wedding industry”. For a long time I’ve had my

suspicions about weddings; especially the specious idea that they are “the

most important/happiest day of a woman’s life.” Never a man’s, of course.

Perhaps men knew all along that marriage was going to be a great

disappointment to many women. All the cooking, cleaning, having babies (once a

very risky business, and still is in much of the world), and all with little

help from the husband. “Let’s fool the women into believing that the wedding

will be a fabulously romantic day. That way the feeble minded creatures won’t

be able to see past that smoke screen and realise they’ve been tricked into a

life of drudgery and misery.” Perhaps, I’m just too cynical. The trouble is,

so many women have bought into the story. Just the other week Amanda Patell

had a TV programme in which she questioned this very subject. “All too often

young women spend masses of time and thought designing their wedding and

barely giving the subsequent marriage a second thought.” Then added, with

commendible honesty, “I know I did.” What depressed me was later, in the same

programme, she attended a wedding and used the phrase “the most important day

in a woman’s life” without a hint of irony. More important than getting your

degree? Having your child? Walking to the North Pole? Climbing Everest? No,

getting married. I despair.

About 20 years ago I attended a friend’s wedding. I have a memory of them

entering the church together and walking down the side aisles, meeting in

front of the altar as equals. None of this “Who gives this women?” nonsense

(yeuch!). Sadly, I have a sneaking suspicion I imagined it.

From James BWIP

More Than Just Jam and Jerusalem: Excellent analysis! Have

put a link to this weblog today – All